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Post by Torgaman on Sept 13, 2004 10:50:27 GMT -8
:(Been watching this JUSTICE LEAGUE spinoff show.Started out promising.Even had an adaptation of
the comic book story FOR THE MAN WHO HAS EVERYTHING where Batman and Wonder Woman have to save Superman from Mongul's delusion creating plant.But then the episodes fell into camp silliness lower than that of the BATMAN tv show,with Wonder Woman transformed into a pig,Batman singing,Booster Gold saving an ant farm from a burning building,etc.I don't see it lasting too long,unless they drop the comedy hour crap and get back to serious superhero action.
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Sept 13, 2004 11:02:32 GMT -8
I've only seen part of the WW as a pig thing, and that seemed to be used to get as many cameos in the show as possible. And to have Animal Man act like an, well, animal.
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Post by Torgaman on Sept 13, 2004 12:40:46 GMT -8
What bothers me is that the cartoons have regressed.
Having achieved some serious milestones with BATMAN,SUPERMAN,and JUSTICE LEAGUE,they have devolved and pandered to idiots who think comics are silly children's fare.I get the feeling the series will include scenes of Flash racing the Road Runner.
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Post by Cory on Sept 21, 2004 8:13:11 GMT -8
Damn my having to work on Saturdays! Honestly, though you guys are panning it, just the mention of Booster Gold was enough to get me excited. The Justice League I grew up with was the 1980's/90's version with Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Fire and Ice, Captain Atom, Animal Man, Maxwell Lord, Magna Kahn, Mister Miracle, Guy Gardner, Lobo, Rocket Red, and the rest of that bunch of DC comic relief. To actually see them animated would make me flotz. If you tell me that Plastic Man - my favorite super hero of all time - is in it, I will surely die. (okay, so my choices for favorite heroes are the dregs of the comic world... sue me!) So far all I've been able to catch of the new season is an episode of Teen Titans introducing Terra  |
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Dec 24, 2004 0:12:52 GMT -8
i saw one recently that had about 100 heroes in it, where the League battled a hive creature from space. i would have liked to have seen more of the more obscure heroes in longer shots, they went by so quickly.
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Post by Torgaman on Dec 24, 2004 12:32:07 GMT -8
It looks like they are getting back to more serious superhero action stories.Last week's apisode had Hawkgirl,Aquaman and Dr Fate playing important parts.
And by the looks of it they will also bring in the Green Arrow/Black Canary romance,though they dropped this storyline in the comics years ago.
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Post by celamowari on Dec 27, 2004 13:10:36 GMT -8
Actually, GA/BC has been on the frontburner since Kevin Smith brought Ollie back. No quality judgment on the rest of it.
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Post by Torgaman on Jan 1, 2005 18:30:56 GMT -8
Today's episode was about the Ultimates a group of five superheroes with powers that have more than a passing resemblance to SUPER FRIENDS alsorans SAMURAI WARRIOR,APACHE CHIEF,BLACK VULCAN,and the WONDER TWINS.In true modern revisionism the counterpart to Jace of the Wonder Twins has deffinate
affeminate qualities.They threw subtlety out the door with him since the character is voiced by a young woman.[Don't tell me you never noticed Jace was a bit too girly for a male superhero]The Ultimates are running around upstaging the Justice Leaguers[here represented by Batman,Superman,Wonder Woman and Aquaman to really get the nostalgia trip going strong]and being backed by Maxwell Lord of all people.However the young heroes soon discover they were actually created in a lab by Cadmus which seems to consist of Mrs. Heller of SUICIDE SQUAD fame[and yes the Suicide Squad is hinted at in the ep]and Professor Hamilton!However Lord says that even these two are small fish in CADMUS,leaving the door open so the real characters who are involved in CADMUS in the comic books like Director Westfielfd,DabneyDonovan, Dubbilex and Guardian.Sure enough the five heroes
discover their lifespan is running out and proceed to trash an office building in anger[except for the indian who can supersize himself,heck at one point he confronts Giganta],until Batman,Supes,
Diana and Aquaman put the kibosh on them.The heroes are taken away by the government to wither away,however Wonder Woman won't let them take Longshadow[Apache Chief by another name]prompting Batman,Superman and Aquaman to stare down the soldiers.Waller lets them keep Longshadow since he'll die one way or the other,but before parting lets on to Batman she knows he's Bruce Wayne.Longshadow beams up with the four heroes and joins the Justice League,until he turns into a pile of gelatinous genetic gloop.All this plus a token Bizarro appearance!!!!!!!!!!!
The only one missing was that Gleep or Gleek or whatever the monkey was called.Nostalgia trip but at
least they balanced it out with the action and storyline.
Overall an entertaining episode.
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Jan 1, 2005 19:15:58 GMT -8
form of: the lamest superheroes ever!
shape of: even worse, re-fitted lame heroes!
well, the good thing about 40 years of comics is they can pick and choose what they want to use and where, and that always helps.
i never remember to watch this show tho.
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Post by Torgaman on Jan 1, 2005 20:03:04 GMT -8
The revisionist spoof HARVEY BIRDMAN ATTORNEY AT LAW spoofed these heroes brilliantly in an episode where APACHE CHIEF spills hot coffee on his....well that
part of the male anatomy and afterwards has...difficulty
getting it to perform....certain tasks.Apparantly his ability to grow in size is also linked to his abiltiy to.....
perform certain tasks.Highlights of the episode include
Black Vulcan on the stand complaining how he never wanted to be called that but Superman forced the name
on him.At the end Him,Apache and some two bit reject heroes form their own lame superhero team.These heroes were also mocked in a VH1 show dealing with minorities in media,and how the SUPERFRIENDS in the late seventies became politically correct by becoming politically incorrect with their equal opportunity superheroes with obviously stereotypical names like SAMURAI WARRIOR,APACHE CHIEF, and BLACK VULCAN.
These guys have become cannon fodder for every joke imaginable and their only crime was being a part of affirmative action.Heck at least the Justice League tries to be racially integrated.When was the last time the Fantastic Four had a brother or a vato loco on their team?Of course if they had one Reed Richards would have him be the one cleaning up after one of his experiments blows up.
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Jan 1, 2005 20:15:07 GMT -8
how difficult is it to make fun of these shows FOR KIDS and not "hip" with it and overly cynical "adults"? those VH-1 shows are interesting, but so many of those people interviewed act like they LIKE the show, but then have to have some REASON for it, and usually a "sardonic" one. somehow, it's just "lame" to like any show because you like it. the "so good it's bad" thing is so over done now. were most of these shows low budget? sure, but they were also sincere and i appreciate that now, as sincerity seems to have gone by the wayside. oops, ranted there a bit. i didn't much care for the Superfriends show, but i did like seeing new heroes, even if they had poorly defined powers. and at least they were trying, that is very true. and if i'm not mistaken, Ben J. Grimm would appear to be Jewish, doesn't that make him a minority?  |
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Post by Torgaman on Jan 1, 2005 20:34:50 GMT -8
The Thing is Jewish?I never really noticed!I think the only character who ever had his religion ever beome an integral part of the stroyline so to speak was DAREDEVIL,when Frank Miller felt that being a defense lawyer by day and vigilante by night was such a contradiction Daredevil just had to be catholic.So what's
Miller saying,that we catholics contradict ourselves?He
should know that God loves all creatures and if Miller can't get that God will send him to Hell to burn for all eternity.
Ok so religious jokes aren't my strong suit.
By the way I;m catholic because my parents baptized me and I'm too lazy to convert to anything else.In reality I'm not the most religious person but then I think that is kinda obvious.
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Post by Cory on Jan 5, 2005 9:32:22 GMT -8
Maxwell Lord and Amanda Waller? The Suicide Squad?! Oh gawd... I need to watch this show... I don't want to miss whenever it is that the Dominators will show up!
Cory, going into retro-80's convulsions
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Jan 5, 2005 9:55:16 GMT -8
Cory, take two Clash albums and listen- that will settle those convulsions!
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Post by Torgaman on Jan 5, 2005 13:54:23 GMT -8
Hey they might even throw Plastic Man in there.He is a mamber in the cartoon but has yet to show up.Be afraid
be very afraid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Cory on Jan 9, 2005 18:57:34 GMT -8
YESS!!!! I finally managed to catch it again on Friday night, being the episode in which Green Arrow learns the value of teamwork when he helps Captain Atom and Supergirl stop a thinly-veiled North Korea's rampaging atomic robot. Besides the questionable values it was subversively teaching kids (hey, maybe foreigners DO have a reason to distrust Americans!) , I was left with a deep question that has been bothering me ever since: what's the point of having Waverider in the series if you're not going to do the Armageddon 2001 storyline? Who's writing this stuff?!? And Cap's voice was all off. And what's with him being pure energy in a suit? And what's will all the losers like Elongated Man and Bwana?!? Pfft, if they're not obscure characters from the 80's, I don't care!  |
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Post by Torgaman on Jan 9, 2005 21:58:49 GMT -8
You really don't expect them to cram over seventy years worth of history and continuity into a thirty minute
series now do you?
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Jan 9, 2005 23:17:14 GMT -8
besides, the silly 60s characters are so much more fun than obscure 80s characters! ;D
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Post by Cory on Jan 10, 2005 0:38:29 GMT -8
pft I say!
Sure I expect them to cram 70 years of history in! Why not!?
One of the things that really impressed me about the initial Batman series was how they took their time with the plotlines. The main example is Harvey Dent, who didn't become Two-Face until halfway through.
One of the things I haven't liked that much about the Justice League/Justice League Unlimited cartoons are their lack of really potent villains. This may be a side effect of the DC universe itself, where the villains are routinely inferior in stature to the heroes (Marvel is almost exactly the other way around). But still, they have stuff they could work with.
The Monarch could easily be one of those. I mean, I thought it was lame they never did anything with him... And that was probably a consequence of changing who he was supposed to be halfway through the A2001 story (originally he was supposed to be Captain Atom, and they changed him to Hawk... Right, like Hawk is going to become a technical mastermind and global despot). But for the cartoon, they could actually make him a major player, whoever they make him out of.
Plus, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to HAVE Waverider in it at all without that storyline. His whole origin and purpose was tied into finding out who the Monarch was. Which is also why they couldn't do much with him after the story.
Nah, if it were up to me, I would totally adapt Millenium, Invasion and Armageddon 2001 into multi-part episodes. I would also cut down the nostalgia trips with the also-rans and keep it to the "magnificent seven" and close secondary heroes (Dr. Fate? Yes. Green Arrow? Yes. Plastic Man? Yes. Elongated Man? No. Captain Atom? Er... Sorry, but not really. Unless he became Monarch. THAT would roxor the bloxor.)
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Post by Torgaman on Jan 10, 2005 12:27:06 GMT -8
Alot of characters are just drawn as window dressing and not meant to be bothered with.Some are thrown in for comedic relief but the focus will revolve around core characters.
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Jul 31, 2005 23:13:39 GMT -8
except for the Robin Beyond episode (which was OK) i've enjoyed what i've seen of this recently. nice to see The Red Tornado.
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