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Post by Torgaman on Mar 20, 2005 9:59:36 GMT -8
Just in time to build up even more hype for the upcoming
REVENGE OF THE SITH release in May,CARTOON NETWORK will close up their CLONE WARS series beginning Monday March 21st.Check your local cable listings for time.Also check your underwear for brown stains.If you have any you should consider changing underwear more often.
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Mar 20, 2005 13:02:18 GMT -8
man, i wish this whole SW thing would go away. remember when it used to be fun?  |
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Post by RoadWarriorYajuta on Mar 20, 2005 13:59:03 GMT -8
It still is for some of us. I haven't watched too much of the Cartoon, but what I have seen has been very cool. I for one anticipate May 19 very much.
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Post by Torgaman on Mar 20, 2005 22:03:45 GMT -8
I don't understand this whole "Lucas ruined STAR WARS" bit.How could he?They are HIS STORIES and he can do whatever he wants with it.Emmerich and Devlin ruined Godzilla mainly because Godzilla was never their creation.Lucas CANNOT ruin STAR WARS because it is his creation and he can do with it what he wishes.
I will be in line for REVENGE OF THE SITH that's for sure.
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Post by Igadevil on Mar 20, 2005 22:54:07 GMT -8
man, i wish this whole SW thing would go away. remember when it used to be fun? Yeah, and then you had to go and ruin it for everyone.  Oh relax, I'm just kidding. Seriously though, it never stopped being fun for me. The cartoon's great, and I can't wait for the movie now. |
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Mar 20, 2005 23:09:14 GMT -8
i think mostly i'm tired of hearing about how great this new one will be (this Gen. Grievous (oh, there's a great name... NOT!) is a cartoon robot? and that makes it great? right!) from fans who just seem to think pretty colors and effects make for good movies. i hope it's a good movie with a good script and acting, far more important than cg robots! don't tell Lucas i ruined the fun though, he might come get me! |
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Post by Igadevil on Mar 20, 2005 23:30:34 GMT -8
I think people are excited about the movie for more than just one character- that's just part of it. When Episode I came out, everyone went bonkers about Darth Maul, and for Episode II it was Jango Fett. Hey, I would be surprised if people weren't the same way about the original trilogy- anyone who watched the Star Wars Holiday Special would by dying to see Boba Fett again, since he was about the only good thing to come out of that.  And based on his brief appearance in the cartoon, General Grievous is actually pretty cool. So he's CG- he's CG. Not much anyone can do about that. And for what it's worth, names don't mean a whole lot in the long run- "Space Ghost" sounds pretty bland, but can you base your whole opinion of the character off of it? |
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Post by Zone Fighter on Mar 20, 2005 23:44:32 GMT -8
His creation? That's funny. He stole most of it from other sources.s. For example: the princess, the smugler, the future jedi and the droids are all based on characters from the Japanese film "The Hidden Fortress". The droids were originally farmers, the smugler and the future jedi were originally one man, a samurai general. The princess was a princess. The Jedi are samurai with magical powers. Darth Vader's mask is based on a samurai helmet. Lightsabers replaced the katana.
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Mar 21, 2005 1:12:41 GMT -8
well, the names are pretty bland- i mean, Grievous, Sidious, Maul- this from a guy who gave us Sith, Bantha and Jedi (bad examples, all stol- er, borrowed from Burroughs)- but Darth Vader sounds cool, and at least Wookie is a cool original name. those new ones just sound to current to me, that's what i'm getting at, as opposed to Vader or Tarkin or even Han Solo. i would have expected a bit more creative names than those new ones.
Jango of course came from Django. Space Ghost is actually quite evocative, i'd say, since it's not two words people would associate together, and yet it works so well.
i do realize it's all a matter of taste, and i've lost mine for SW many years ago.
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Post by Igadevil on Mar 21, 2005 9:20:55 GMT -8
His creation? That's funny. He stole most of it from other sources.s. For example: the princess, the smugler, the future jedi and the droids are all based on characters from the Japanese film "The Hidden Fortress". The droids were originally farmers, the smugler and the future jedi were originally one man, a samurai general. The princess was a princess. The Jedi are samurai with magical powers. Darth Vader's mask is based on a samurai helmet. Lightsabers replaced the katana. Technically, Lucas has acknowledged the influence of "Hidden Fortress" on the plot for the first one (in the "Empire of Dreams" documentary on the DVDs, complete with clips.) If he's "stolen" from it, he's been pretty honest about it. Considering how much other stuff has been ripped off from Star Wars, even by the Japanese (Zannon? Ribolcane?) I think it's pretty much a moot point to play the old "Star Wars is just ripping off the Seven Samurai/Hidden Fortress/John Carter/Flash Gordan/Vietnam War-Allegory/Damn near everything else ever made" card. Ultimately you reach the point where everything is just one giant rip-off of itself.  |
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Post by Zone Fighter on Mar 21, 2005 11:49:24 GMT -8
It is not a moot point. It's been claimed that Star Wars is George Lucas' creation when in fact its all derived from other sources.
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Post by Torgaman on Mar 21, 2005 12:29:02 GMT -8
What I meant by creation is it is a story he created.So he borrowed stuff from other sources.Guess what,there
really are no origianl stories that date before the time of modern man.Everything is a rip off of the tales old farts told each other around campfires back in the day everyone wore togas yet didn't wear underwear.
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Mar 21, 2005 13:26:31 GMT -8
true- Mary Shelley could be called a thief since she liberally borrowed from Greek mythology for her creation- Frankenstein. she did at least subtitle it "A Modern Prometheus" though.
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Post by Cory on Mar 21, 2005 16:03:54 GMT -8
I think it is more generally argued that Lucas "ruined" Star Wars through casting a shadow over the integrity of the original three films. Now one can argue the relative merits of those first three films, but many have an issue with the "Special Editions" which (in my opinion) made the original films worse, and the guilt-by-association of the new trilogy which simply aren't as good (again, in my opion) as the originals. Coming back to such iconographic films after so long an absense renders Lucas for all intents and purposes a reinterpreter of his own creation.
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Post by Igadevil on Mar 21, 2005 17:50:29 GMT -8
It is not a moot point. It's been claimed that Star Wars is George Lucas' creation when in fact its all derived from other sources. No, it is a moot point. And here's why: So let's say everything in Star Wars was ripped off from somewhere else. Every last little thing. Fine. Lucas still is the one who ripped it all off and put it together. Therefore Star Wars is for all intents and purposes, his creation. Disagree? Than you might as well say everything that draws inspiration from or borrows/lifts/steals elements from somewhere else (and what doesn't?) doesn't belong to the creators of that thing. Oops! Guess Kikaida is no longer Ishinomori's, since it borrows elements from Pinocchio. And Kamen Rider Stronger is just ripping off Superman, since they both have "S"s on their chests. And what's this- Kurosawa's "Throne of Blood" is a lot like "Macbeth". So does the movie belong to Shakespeare now? Does anyone actually care that much to even raise that point? Again I say, Star Wars has itself been ripped off so much, no one really cares what came from where anymore. They're ripping off Star Wars. Same thing with just about anything else. When someone rips off Godzilla, they're ripping off Godzilla, not any of the numerous films that influenced Godzilla, or the stories that influenced those films. If Lucas did just rip off everything that's in Star Wars, again, he has acknowledged many of his outside influences, which I would think infers that he it not simply stealing, but actually crediting what inspired his movies like any good creator of anything would. Anyways...I think it's time to drop this. Every Star Wars thread seems to take this turn, and I don't know about you people, but I find it's grown pretty tiresome. Talking about the merits (or lack thereof) about Star Wars or George Lucas or whatever is fine, just make a "Star Wars Hate Thread" or something. But in every SW-related thread? Boring. |
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Post by RoadWarriorYajuta on Mar 21, 2005 19:30:49 GMT -8
Deyammmmmnnnnnnnnnnn, Iga just unleashed a Hurtstroke ass whupping didn't he? Well said, and I agree. Jeez, every super powered comic hero is a rip off of Superman, no matter how different huh? Gamera sucks because they so ripped off Godzilla, huh? Wait, which came first, the Greek Gods or Norse Gods? Somebody ripped off somebody. Don't people just enjoy stuff because they dig it? No the new movies aren't as good as the original trilogy, but that doesn't mean that are camel dung either. This new movie looks very much sweet and I for one love the fact that they are creating such a coordinated, indepth back story for it. The cartoon, comics, novels, and games tie in and set things in motion for Sith, and damn does that movie look sweet as hell.
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Post by Torgaman on Mar 21, 2005 21:02:50 GMT -8
Ditto on the last two posts.
By the way,Lucas never builds a movie around the introduction of a new character like Darth Maul or Jango
Fett.It is nerdy fanboys who do this and the 20TH CENTURY FOX marketing department RAMS it down their throats so these guys will pay over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over in theaters just to watch those few minutes of screentime these characters have.
Lucas isn't that dumb to build a movie around characters
that will only get beheaded or chopped in half in the climax.Hell I enjoyed the entire arena sequence in ATTACK OF THE CLONES and Jango only participated in
a fraction of that scene.I took in the monsters,the keepers of the monsters who were part of the menu in the monsters' eyes,the fact that EVERYONE gets trashed
in that scene[some action movie stars like Steven Segal
won't even let the bad guys in their films mess up their
hair]the little banter Anakin and Obi-Wan have as they are being chained to their posts,all in all a nice throwback to the movie serial days but with the budget
to match the imagination required to pull off that scene.
C'mon I am sure everyone has to admit this is better tha Flash Gordon's wrestling match with the man in gorilla suit with a horn glued to the forehead.
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Post by Xenorama ™ on Mar 21, 2005 21:10:16 GMT -8
i dunno, all things considered i enjoy Flash Gordon serials a lot more than Star Wars movies (well, four out of five of them, anyway).
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Post by Shonokin on Mar 21, 2005 22:04:23 GMT -8
The Tartovsky cartoons are cool.
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Post by celamowari on Mar 22, 2005 17:11:28 GMT -8
I declare Igadevil the winner of the Internet! Now, everyone go home and get off my lawn!
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Oh relax, I'm just kidding. Seriously though, it never stopped being fun for me.
